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BlitZ_SWE
| USN Colors help Posted by BlitZ_SWE on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:45 AM Hello I need help with Measures 22 and 32 but specifically i need help of what colors i need. I have searched the forum (and internet) and get good info what colors its should be as in "5H Haze Gray" but not what the equivalent is in Tamiya or Vallejo or any other manufactures. Well except White Ensign Models as the have them ready to use colors, but i want to use acrylic as it is not as bad for your health and easier to clean. I want to use either Tamiya or Vallejo, both model color and model air, but I can't find a good conversion chart. I don't mind mixing it if I know what the ratio is. I have found on http://www.paint4models.com/paintchart/paintconversionchart.html#app=cb3e&e5a0-selectedIndex=0 that for Measure 22 Vallejo Model Air Tamiya But I don't think they are accurate. Can anybody help me or am I on the right track with the Vallejo and Tamiya colors for Measure 22 and just go with that? If you wonder what I am going to build, it is the 1/144 Revell Fletcher Class destroyer and its USS Chevalier I have my sight on. Cheers Fan imorse var man nykter men nu börjar det ordna upp sig...
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weebles
| Posted by weebles on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:47 AM
I looked over a2nd cross reference that I have and they match the following... 5N = FS# 15042 5H = FS# 36375 20-B= FS# 36076 So I wouldtry and find the correct FS number in youracrylic paints. Keep in mind there are variations in FS numbersbetween brands. I sitll recommend the paint chips to check. The WEM paints are the best match you'll find. Good luck Dave Good luck Dave
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BlitZ_SWE
| Posted by BlitZ_SWE on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:24 AM Thank you very much. But is it "Camouflage of Ships at Sea(Reference#FS003)" that you mean i should get? /Christian Fan imorse var man nykter men nu börjar det ordna upp sig...
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EdGrune
| Posted by EdGrune on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:08 AM
An important thing to remember is that the Fed-Std color nomenclature system is a product of the 1950s. The US Navy's WWII color standard is based on the 1929 Munsell Color System. (The current Munsell designation does not match the 1929 system). The WWII naval purple/blue colors were officially discontinued in February, 1945. Their use was allowed until the paint stocks were depleted. When the Fed-Std system was created the naval blues were not included -- they were obsolete. Any contemporary correlation of WWII naval colors with the Fed-Std system is just someone's opinion. If your goal is to mix your ownaccurate representation of the colors then the Snyder & Short color chip set recommended above is a good one. (see shipcamouflage.com for the chip sets). Another choice might be to buy some of the White Ensign Colourcoat paints and use them as your standard. Mix your acrylics to their colors. Modelmaster used to make some acrylic versions of the WEM colors, but they are now out pf production.
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CRUISERBUILDER
| Posted by CRUISERBUILDER on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:47 AM Go to www.steelnavy.com/usnchips.htm. Article w/all paint chips in color you can print.
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Tracy White
| Posted by Tracy White on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:42 PM Printed paint chips are not accurate unless you color calibrate your printer. nIf it's close enough for your tastes, fine, but keep in mind there might be significant differences. Tracy WhiteResearcher@Large
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searat12
| Posted by searat12 on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:35 PM ....And so the nightmare begins!! I agree with some of the previous postings; get some WEM paints, and then mix your acryllics to match, and you will not go wrong.......
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weebles
| Posted by weebles on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:46 PM The WEM chip sets are actual paint on a card and not printed from a computer. You can buy them from WEM or Snyder & Short Enterprises. From there you can mix your acrylic colors possibly with the FS numbers identified from cross references as a start. The best results would come from using the WEM paint though. Good luck with your project. Dave
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jtilley
| Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:59 PM The color schemes of WWII naval vessels are endlessly fascinating. I have the greatest possible respect for the folks whose research into the subject has made such a fine contribution to our knowledge of it. Long gone are the days when everybody, from movie directors to novelists to artists to modelers, assumed that warships were painted "battleship grey." I do suggest, however, that anybody who's on the verge of getting obsessed with "accuracy" when it comes to WWII USN camouflage colors read this thread: /forums/987682/ShowPost.aspx . I said my piece about the subject in that thread (frankly I was a little surprised that nobody expressed any real disagreement), so I won't repeat those comment here. I do hope that thread convinced some people, at least, that the concepts of "right" and "wrong" colors for warship models - or scale models of any sort - just isn't reasonable or useful. Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.
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BlitZ_SWE
| Posted by BlitZ_SWE on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:04 AM Thank you very much for all the replies. I think buying WEM colors and mixing my own with acrylics would be the best, I just have to mix enough paint as it would be sad to run empty half the way... Not easy to mix exact the same and end up repainting the whole modelwith the new mix. One more question regarding what brand to use. I am a big fan of Tamiya colors but as you know they dont do good with a normal paintbrush. I think it would be good to have the possibilty to paint some details with a brush instead of an airbrus. I am thinking of using the normal Vallejo model color (not the model air) for both airbrushing and paintbrushing. I have heard that it could spit when airbrushing. Anyone with that experience or does it work good in an airbrush to? /Christian Fan imorse var man nykter men nu börjar det ordna upp sig...
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